Prophetic elders denounce grievous false prophecy on Trump

The previous post’s quoting Bishop Dr Bill Hamon was from this most important video  broadcast by the Generals International (prophetic intercession and spiritual warfare):

Thank you Angus MacKillock for courtesy to republish from His Kingdom Prophecy :

STATEMENT FROM APOSTOLIC COUNCIL PROPHETIC ELDERS

” Concerning a False Prophetic Word Targeting President Donald Trump ”

” 1 Corinthians 14:29 (Amplified Bible, AMP): “Let two or three prophets speak (as inspired by Holy Spirit), while the rest pay attention and weigh carefully what is said.”

The Apostolic Council of Prophetic Elders (A.C.P.E.) is a group of sixty seasoned prophets who have been meeting for 25 years. Several of the names on this document are pioneers of the modern-day prophetic movement. The ACPE was initially convened after several questionable national-level words were released — prophetic words that caused great confusion within the Body of Christ.

As a council of prophetic elders, our intent remains to hear the word of the Lord together and seek God’s wisdom to apply 1 Corinthians 14:29 when a questionable word is issued that could bring fear or confusion, neither of which God authors. It is for this purpose that we write this statement.

While we hear various words that seem questionable at best, we have never publicly called out a prophetic word as false in our 25-year history. However, when what is issued is so flagrantly false and carries the potential to incite violence and cause division in the name of God, we feel that we must denounce it as such as a group.

Further, there is a clear pattern of disturbing false prophecies being released by a minister who many identify as a prophet. These prophecies are being released to a global audience via social media. Since these harmful words were publicly released to a global audience, we feel they require a public response.

We will present them one by one:

1. The ‘God Punched Trump’ Prophecy

On November 4th, 2024 — Election Day Eve in the U.S. — a prophetic word regarding Trump’s presidency was issued by this minister. Additionally, on November 5th, 2024 (Election Day), this same minister released a separate word connecting a Trump presidency with God’s judgment on the people of God in America.

Excerpt from the November 4, 2024 posted video:

“God punched Donald Trump in the face and his teeth came out and there was a lot of blood. And that was quite symbolic of what he represented. The word of the Lord is this, that there would be a catastrophic time of him (Trump) leading and then he would be removed by God because he had become the champion of himself and then Trump fell over. His partnership with unredeemed sex, unredeemed power, and unredeemed money had opened the door for all sorts of evil to be released through him.”

2. The Trump Presidency Being God’s Judgment Prophecy

Excerpt from the November 5, 2024 posted video:

During the broadcast, it was also strongly inferred that prayer would not change the outcome of these words. They were settled.

“We, (referring to the minister and their team) believe that Trump is going to be a judgment on the people of God.”

3. The Leviathan Released Because of Trump Prophecy

Other words from within this minister’s group have been issued during this time saying a seven-headed Leviathan had been released across the world and brought chaos because of Trump. We also judge this to be a false prophecy that is based out of a political bias and hatred of President Trump stemming from a political world view that differs from his conservative stances.

Other “prophetic” revelations and declarations presented in the same media broadcast were also very concerning to us, but we will not specifically address them at this time.

4. The Judging the American Church Prophecy

In addition to the “God Punched Trump” statement, this same minister has also written and spoken on other occasions, declaring that the Church of America has exchanged spiritual power for political power. While this might be the case in some instances, no one we know has done that.

Secondly, the inference that the American Church doesn’t need Jesus now because they have Trump is also false. The churches and movements that we know of, and there are many, understand that Trump is only human and God reigns supreme. Trump is not God, and we are not glorifying him as such.

However, we also know that this election was not only a national election but carries a global impact — in other words, this election had implications that rippled through nations. Hundreds of thousands of people in the world understand the consequence of electing leaders who are for late-term abortion, gender transitioning of children paid for with taxpayers’ money, and other anti-Biblical positions.

5. The Tyranny and the Fall of Democracy in America Prophecy

Excerpt from the November 8, 2024 posted video:

“The Lord says, USA, the days of your greatest instability in your history are here and are now. The Lord says lawlessness, America, has been released upon your shores… There will be chaos. There will be loss of life. There will be riots. This will be the culmination of years, and the Lord says you will see in the natural realm a Romans chapter 1, where there is a giving over to tyranny, a giving over to lawlessness, a giving over to the full force of the moral rot …

“God is pressurizing and allowing a pressurization to come into nations where democracy doesn’t work. Democracy is about to not hold. Democracy is about to fail. It is about to become not the solution that it’s been for many decades. Some of the economic structures are going to fall and fold as God starts to say I will provoke you and your citizens to call on my name.”

The A.C.P.E. Judges these Words as False.

Our concerns are as follows:

  • We believe these words are not inspired by the Holy Spirit and fail to pass the scriptural tests for discerning true New Testament prophetic words (1 Corinthians 14:3Revelation 19:10bJohn 6:63; 1 Corinthians 13; 1 Corinthians 14:1Galatians 5:22,23 ).
  • We believe the words represent harmful curses (Romans 12:14Proverbs 18:21).
  • We believe the words, if acted upon by those who are immature or unstable, could incite violent actions against the president of the United States of America. (See example in 1 Kings 21 regarding Jezebel and Naboth’s vineyard, illustrating how an evil word — when spoken and acted upon — can come to pass and bring about severe and fatal consequences.)
  • We believe these words could produce a corporate agreement in a demonic plot, giving the enemy a landing strip and the power to fulfill the curse, thus bringing it to pass (Genesis 11:6Mark 4:24).

1 Corinthians 13 strongly admonishes us to operate out of love. It is sandwiched between 1 Corinthians 12 and 14. The words in question do not reflect love.

Taking the Matthew 18 Approach

In accordance with Matthew 18, we have approached some of these prophetic voices with our concerns about these words. We asked them to retract these presumptuous and dangerous words, which we have deemed to have been prompted out of the wrong spirit. So far there does not seem to be any willingness to listen to the counsel of the voices that this person not long ago considered to be mothers and fathers in their lives.

Our desire was to address these issues privately and hope for a resolution that will bring healing to the person and the Body of Christ. Unfortunately, those efforts have not yielded fruit.

Due to the serious nature of the words being shared publicly — and how they could be used to either release a curse that one may unwittingly agree with or even inspire one to fulfill its violent rhetoric — we felt it was important to make a public statement about our views of these public proclamations.

We had hoped that there would at least be an acknowledgment that it was not wise to release these words publicly but rather to submit them to mature oversight and perhaps intercession. We are deeply concerned for the members of the Body of Christ who have been hurt, confused, and jarred by the context of the word and the dogmatic tone in which it was delivered. As a result of this grievous concern, and our deep love for this ministry and those who heard the word, the Holy Spirit directed us to issue this statement. In humility and in the fear of the Lord we do so.

Speaking the Truth in Love

We love the prophetic and believe it has the potential to bring God’s purposes into the earth like nothing else can, but we also are zealous for its integrity and ministry to be pure and ministered in proper protocol and wisdom.

We are praying for those involved in releasing these controversial and detrimental words and hope they will move in a rightful and mature way to heal the land and not speak division and destruction. We love them, pray for them, and believe God will move in their lives.

Let’s Pray

Father, we love your voice. We believe you have ordained a new day for America and that you will use newly re-elected President Trump to help bring this to pass. We believe in your mandate to disciple nations and ask you to help us to fulfill this commission! We love you and your kingdom and your people. We know that you love your prophets and need them to speak your word in purity and integrity as never before. We are praying for every nation to turn to you and receive your blessing! God, we ask that You bless us with reformation, revival, awakening, and a great harvest in this hour. Bless America and heal our Land!

Signed,

Mike and Cindy Jacobs | Bishop Bill Hamon | Bishop Joseph Garlington | Tom and Jane Hamon | Sharon Stone-Black and Greg Black | Chuck Pierce | | Dutch Sheets | Barbara Yoder | James Goll | Patricia King | Todd White | Arleen Westerhof | Katherine Ruonala | Matt and Kim Lockett | Michele Jacobs | Tommy and Miriam Evans | Larry Sparks | Matt Sorger | Jon and Jolene Hamill | Anthony and Melissa Medina | Barbie Breathitt | Rebecca Greenwood | Eleanor and Robert Roehl | Faytene Grasseschi | Herman Martir | Mark Gonzales | Mary Glazier | Patricia Bootsma | Rick and Patricia Riddings | Stacey Campbell | Steven and Rene Springer” (© generals.org) ”

PS – Continued in:

Divided America prophecy fulfilled: 1 – Obama feigns ignorance on how it happened!

1st PROPHECY – Chuck Pierce:

Digging into my Prophecy Library we take a ‘cue’ (Queue) to go 17 years ago to the ‘2007‘ shelf and find the vision Chuck recounted with subsequent insights. This update post of 11 years ago may be a tad quicker:

Modern prophecy on USA & Israel approaches fulfillment

[EXTRACT] ‘In The River and The Schism (31st Oct 2008 *), Chuck refers to visiting that awesome primeval place (my emotion upon visiting) – the Grand Canyon. It very graphically reminded him of a vision he’d seen in August 2007,
‘It was then that the Lord began to show me a nation divided. He has continued to deal with me from an intercessory standpoint to get prepared for a great schism that is coming to this nation.
He then outlines what happened 9 months later on 31st May 2008…”

However, three years afterwards Chuck was to give details of what had happened near the Statue of Liberty. In The Vision for Now! (* 20th May 2011), he writes,..’ [NB.details refer to incumbent President Obama’s dealings with Israel and informed commentary.]

2nd PROPHECY – Veronika West:

“…I say, Watch and Pray, for the States of Texas, Arizona and Florida shall lead the way, for an a greater shaking of a 50-state Nation shall bring forth a Separation and a Secession that will reveal goat and sheep Nations!”

On hearing those Words, I saw a greater shaking beginning to take place over the Nation of America, and I heard The Spirit say, ”The winnowing Winds of My Seven Spirits are now blowing forth upon the threshing floor, for the Sickle will fly, and the Sword will fall, and a 50-state Nation — once united — shall become divided!”

LATEST NEWS

In covering Ian Schwartz’s RCP transcript posted last night, The Gateway Pundit’s Mike LaChance rebukes Obama’s hypocrisy (emphases mine):

‘While campaigning for Kamala Harris in Wisconsin on Tuesday, former President Barack Obama told the crowd that he doesn’t understand how the people of America became so divided, toxic and bitter. Has he met Barack Obama?

Oh, where to begin?

Could it have been when Obama accused his fellow Americans of being bitter clingers back in 2008? Or perhaps the time he huffed to Republicans that ‘he won’ and they should just do what he wants?

How about the time in 2008 when Obama told his supporters that he wanted them to argue with their neighbors and get in people’s faces? Or the time he told his supporters to vote for revenge? Does he remember any of these moments?’

AND SO….the POPOD (President of the Party of Disunity) proclaims:

THEREFORE,

WATCH: President Trump Rips Barack Obama to Shreds After Divider-In-Chief Mocks Him with a Series of Cruel Remarks

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JUST IN > about to post at 16:17 but get on-screen confirmation of a related fulfilled prophecy of Julie Green (so pleased I ignored the option of trimming her news out the middle TGP image):

PPS (24/10 17:44) A reminder: Democrat National Convention 2007
Layout design based on ‘satan’s seat’ in Pergamum, as transported to Germany:

Pergamon temple ('satan's seat') in Germany

Wake up prophets of England! – Chuck Pierce –

And so, my birthday number just popped up again..

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The above was posted on Monday, which is when I read the terrific link Mark Jenson included with his comment to A third day’s brief jotting’s…before holy ‘fire’ and which goes Diana Larkin’s entry last Friday in A Watchman’s Journal (follow link for clearer image):

The total of 2 digits in date is 8 (= 2 x 2 x 2), so I’m publishing at 22:22 hrs on 8.2.2024

Speaker Johnson echoes vision of “the chasm” dividing America (PPU 109)

Further to recent posts on the vision of a division across America that Chuck Pierce had when visiting the Grand Canyon in 2007,  

“It was then that the Lord began to show me a nation divided and continued to deal with me from an intercessory standpoint to get prepared for a great schism that is coming to this nation

Last night, I heard in this very short video the House of Representatives’ Speaker Mike Johnson ECHO and gesticulating that description – click image below:

Auto-generated transcript (RB some editing, formatting riddled with code so not neat):

“Some of your critics some of your critics will say this shows your inexperience and Congressman Massie says getting rid of Kevin McCarthy wasn’t unmitigated disaster for your party. What do you say to that?”
“Well look it it it was a mess what happened here but we’re cleaning it up and Massie is one of my dear friends and colleagues and and I I don’t think that this is a reflection
on the leader, it’s a reflection on the body itself and the place where we’ve come in this country.
Look –  the nation is divided – we lament that, right? – the difference is the chasm between the two parties right now is wider than it’s ever been and and there
are lots of emotions and and we live in the age of social media and 24-hour news
cycle you know there were previous congresses where this a gaggle like this
would not even have been possible so we’re in a different time but what we
need to do in a time like this in a time of great challenge is lead on principle
and that’s what we’re doing again the process is messy sometimes but the job
will be done and we’re going to govern this country it’s the greatest country
in the history of the world the entire world is counting upon us we have steady
hands at will we’ll get through it everybody take a deep breath it’s a long game we’re going to get the job done.”

2024: Time to take back the Gates – Veronika West

RB: Note reference to “Wheat and Tares have come to full maturity!” in this posted 19th January on Facebook:

TAKING BACK THE GATES: A PROPHETIC STRATEGY FOR THE BATTLE OVER NATIONS

So, on the morning of the 21 of October 2023, I awoke to The LORD speaking to me, and I heard Him say, ”Daughter, it’s time to take back The Gates!”

Later that day I sent out a Message to a number of leaders saying the following; ”It’s time to take back The Gates!”

Then I heard the sound of the Shofar blowing, and The LORD began to speak to me about the ruling power and principality of the Philistine Spirit is rising in our Nation(s) and The LORD spoke to me about The Mantle of David, and the mocking spirit of the Philistine over our Nation(s).

At this time, like Goliath who had taunted The Nation of Israel, the streets of London and those of many other Nations, have been filled with the sound of “the Islamic prayer call”.

I saw by The Spirit, that this sound is the same sound of the mocking Philistine spirit of Goliath, that now seeks to intimidate and dominate the airwaves over our Nation(s).

But then I saw in The Realm of The Spirit, The Ecclesia rising and ’going to The Gates’ of The Nations to blow the Shofar — to release The Sound of Heaven — at The Gates and over The Land — which will silence and establish the sound of Victory over the airwaves and over The Natie

On the 17th of January 2024, we had a timely visit from Chuck Pierce who shared on “The Decade of Pey” — the decade of the mouth — and the great importance of our Decree in the days ahead.

”Decree a thing and it shall be established for you!” Job 22:28

In prayer reflection of what was shared at the meeting, I came home and The LORD began to speak to me again about The Gates, and He showed me a violent battle for The Glory unfolding at The Gates of Nations.

Now, as I began to pray and incline my ear to His Voice, suddenly I heard The Spirit say, ”Gateways are the mouth of Regions, Territories and Nations!

I say, release the sound of The Roar from The Gateways! Let The Sound go forth from the mouth of Regions Territories and Nations, and My Word and My Will,. will be built and established in the days ahead!

Again I say, at the sound of The Roar, My Great Eagles will rise and soar, and at the sound of The Roar of the Lion of Judah, the foundations of Nations will be shaken and shifted!

Look up! For a line shall be stretched forth upon The Nations!

See! For The Angels of Zechariah are on the move, measuring the length and breadth of the boundary lines of Nations! (Zechariah 1:12-17)

Yes! Angelic Surveyors with the Measuring Rod in their hands are moving to measure the future Destiny of Cities, Regions, Territories and Nations in this hour.

For I tell you, a Divine Realignment and a reordering of The Boundary Lines of Nations is now taking place, for I AM taking Nations back to my original intent, for prodigal Nations shall turn and return to their Covenant Foundations.

Listen! For the sound at The Gates will bring forth a Divine Distinction in The Valley of Decision — for a Divine Separation of what is Holy and Mine — and what is profane and defiled in now taking place!

For Goat and Sheep Nations are emerging — and two Altars are rising. The Altar of Baal and the Altar of Elijah shall rise, and The Whirlwind of The Seven Spirits shall move upon The Valley of Nations, to gather up and to scatter abroad.

Watch! — as swords fall and sickles fly — for Judgement and Harvest have come to Nations on The Threshing Floor — for Wheat and Tares have come to full maturity!

I say, stay watching and waiting! For a Double-Mantle will fall, and I shall Anoint, for a second time.

An anointing, one thousand times greater, shall be released upon My Ecclesia — even as it came upon Samson for a second time, even as it came upon Elisha.

I tell you, get ready! For a one thousand (1000) times greater anointing is coming upon My Ecclesia! A Double-portion Anointing of The Spirit and Power of Elijah is coming in The Whirlwind of My Seven Spirits!

Have I not said, Nations have now entered into a Second Exodus, and Second Circumcision?

Watch The Blood! The Blood! For the hour of a Second Passover is here!

The hour of Five-Fold Reformation is here, and My Five-Fold will move in the Governmental Power and Authority of The Key of The House of David — for the eyes that were gouged out, are now being fully restored!

Look! For my 11th hour Prophets are rising with Fourth Dimensions of sight and vision!

Enter in! For The Door of Revelation Four stands open before The Nations!

I say come up here! Come up higher! And The Glory that departed — and the hair that was pulled out — will return!

Look! For a Rainbow Whirlwind of My Seven Spirits is coming upon the head once again, My Plumbline Apostles shall arise — as My Covenant speaks a higher thing!

Yes! My Covenant shall speak of true identity and son-ship.

Listen! It’s time to release a Battle Cry! It’s time to take War stance, for a Battle for My Glory is unfolding at The Gate!

A Divine Confrontation is taking place with the ruling spirit of the Philistines — a war over the ancient wells — a mighty contending for Revival and for The Birthright and The Destiny of Nations!

For I tell you, surely The Ancient Wells that were stopped up by the Philistines shall be uncapped, and the stranglehold of the three-fold cord of Jezebel, Anthelia and Delilah shall be broken over The Nations, and the spirit of Herod that rises at a time of birthing, shall be cast down.

See! For a John-the-Baptist Mantle is now coming upon the sons at The Gate to prepare a Highway for The Glory to come, and The Mantle of Might — My Seven-Fold Spirit that came upon Samson for a second time, is now coming upon My Ecclesia to push down the ivory pillars — to tear down the Babylonian structures and systems of religion and finance, that rule over the seven spheres of culture! says The Spirit of God.

PROPHETIC STRATEGY FOR THE DAYS AHEAD

God gave me a Prophetic Strategy for the decade ahead.

In 2022, God began to speak to be about the battle for The Birthright and The Destiny of Nations. He spoke about the War to come over Kingdom Inheritance, and then in 2023, He spoke specifically to me about a “Staking Anointing” of 2 Samuel 20:23, “And Joab was over all the army of Israel; Benaiah the son of Jehoiada was over the Cherethites and the Pelethites.”

And He said to me, ”I will release Keys in 23, for Doors in 24.”

This a prophetic strategy of; the Staking Anointing of 2 Samuel 20:23 that would come upon the sons who were mantled with might to fight against the giants in our land of promise.

—>> click to continue reading at His Kingdom Prophecy.

Quick quiz – sheer coincidence or God-incidental ‘sign’?

A very short quiz dropped like a flash download into mind late on Friday afternoon. So, I had to ask: is it just SHEER COINCIDENCE OR A GOD-INCIDENTAL ‘SIGN’?

Q1. In what year did Chuck Pierce first realise that “the Lord began to show me a nation divided and continued to deal with me from an intercessory standpoint to get prepared for a great schism that is coming to this nation” (check here)

Q2. What year did that division get documented and shown on a map? (check here)

Q3. What’s numerical difference between those years?

Q4. What letter of the alphabet is Q3’s answer?

Q5. Which leader is said to be connected with Q4 answer?

Q6. If a President, what’s his number in office? (clue: last two Question numbers)

No prize other than the fun of checking and knowing the Lord has all this in hand 🙂
The answers will appear tomorrow…enjoy yourselves my friends.

HUGE: Trump calls for NG to defend border – ‘Great Schism’ now mapped (PPU 106)

It’s been such a subtle but persistent nudging since New Year that it steered me away from the mini-series on apostasy. The 2007 vision of a “great schism” cutting through America was bubbling ‘on the back burner’ and adding more ingredients yesterday made it all boil over!

So I had to attend to it, especially as the Lord turned my eyes back to His recipe book!!  That is, ‘Going Full Circle‘ plus two prophetic words on and news from Texas along with ‘sous-chef’ Tony’s two dreams (in Comments), my afternoon ‘cooking’ turned out to be prophetical in view of last night’s news. As a reminder, here’s Telegram version of my closing remark on what’s cooking:

LAST NIGHT’S NEWS:

Donald J.Trump (Telegram Channel 25 Jan)

‘When I was President, we had the most secure Border in History. Joe Biden has surrendered our Border, and is aiding and abetting a massive Invasion of millions of Illegal Migrants into the United States. Instead of fighting to protect our Country from this onslaught, Biden is, unbelievably, fighting to tie the hands of Governor Abbott and the State of Texas, so that the Invasion continues unchecked. In the face of this National Security, Public Safety, and Public Health Catastrophe, Texas has rightly invoked the Invasion Clause of the Constitution, and must be given full support to repel the Invasion.

We encourage all willing States to deploy their guards to Texas to prevent the entry of Illegals, and to remove them back across the Border. All Americans should support the commonsense measures by Texas authorities to protect the Safety, Security, and Sovereignty of Texas, and of the American people. When I am President, on Day One, instead of fighting Texas, I will work hand in hand with Governor Abbott and other Border States to Stop the Invasion, Seal the Border, and Rapidly Begin the Largest Domestic Deportation Operation in History. Those Biden has let in should not get comfortable because they will be going home.’

MAP OF DIVIDED USA – like the chasm running through the Grand Canyon

Keep watching…

2007 vision of “Great schism” dividing America now fulfilled (PPU 102)- Chuck Pierce

In the last week of last year I posted news of Colorado Supreme Court’s ruling to ban  Donald Trump from the state’s ballots, and then noticed constitutional expert Professor Jonathan Turley published a list of states aiming to do likewise, and of contrary-wise. This reminded me of what I’d done 10 years ago, as told below:

Come with me to the Chronological section of this blog’s Prophecy Library and take a  look along the ‘2007 shelf’. So, we now find:

‘2007 – Chuck Pierce, visiting the Grand canyon in 2008: “What I saw quickened in me and reminded me of what I saw in August 2007.  It was then that the Lord began to show me a nation divided and continued to deal with me from an intercessory standpoint to get prepared for a great schism that is coming to this nation” (from Elijah List).’

On 6 November 2013 and 12 October 2018 I covered the prophecy and its progress in depth – click images to read in full (NB. overwrites screen):

Modern prophecy on USA & Israel approaches fulfillment

Comparison of two visions of American states – ‘schism’ vs. ‘conjoined’!

NB: IN 2008 OBAMA WON PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION FOR HIS 2009-17 TERM.

CONSTITUTIONAL LEGAL EXPERT

Here’s what I noted on Prof Turley’s WordPress, along with its follow-on, both of which list the 23 vs 27 states so reminiscent of the deep schism and two sides of that canyon Chuck saw (click following images to read listings and his observations/opinions):

29th December:

Are You in an Anti-Free Speech State? We Now Have The Definitive List

7th January:

Twenty-Seven States File to Oppose Colorado’s Disqualification of Trump under the 14th Amendment

Several more posts confirming the fulfillment of Chuck’s 2007 prophetic vision: Continue reading

Prophecy Progress Update 23: video of ‘Trump-stump’ sprouting, as prophesied

Continuing previous two posts prophetic words from Chuck Pierce on Isaiah 6:13 But as the terebinth and oak leave stumps when they are cut down, so the holy seed will be the stump in the land.” and Veronika West on “The stump of Trump will sprout again”… take a look all around this weekend’s rally in Mesa, Arizona – it looks just like all Donald Trump’s previous rallies:

Trump calls the ‘fake news’ cameras to film not only him on the stage but aso all around the media’s gallery….so GETTR’s guy turns full circle to the left… Continue reading

‘October Surprise’ – Chuck Pierce: on Monday 18th God is “pulling the plug”!

Word from the Lord to nations at this holy time, an October surprise – Amanda Grace

Part of the above-linked exceptionally powerful prophecy reads

“…You shall be judged and found wanting and those propping you up shall be judged as well, for this is a shadow presidency within a shadow government, says the Lord this day; a prop, a ruse, and puppets are indeed disposable, says the Lord thy God this day.

I shall make a spectacle of them as the people return unto Me; it is not a man that shall save you oh America, it is by My power and outstretched arm you shall be redeemed and washed and cleansed as a river of blood has run through your nation that I the Lord am damming up their channels and avenues and quarries (remember that word) and I shall dry up your supply of what you take power from, says the Lord thy God this day.

They have defied the living God and I have given time for repentance and change for I am long-suffering. However, it is minutes to midnight and there shall be an October surprise, says the Lord of Hosts this day….”

OCTOBER 18th

Only this morning have I opened, and am very grateful for an edited transcript sent on Monday by email from long-standing reader and cyber-buddy in South Africa. Roger writes and cites (emphases mine, video link refers from 6:50 minutes):

“Dutch Sheet’s website, from last Friday’s (15th October) Give Him 15 message, there has been a word from Chuck Pierce about today (18th October) being the beginning of great unravellings within the US, as God “pulls the plug” literally on high profile evildoers.

“I was with my friend, Chuck Pierce, in Tennessee last weekend. During the worship he had a vision about God re-circuiting the church and nation, which would obviously involve thinking differently. Here are a few definitions of circuit before sharing the vision: “a circular journey; the complete path of an electric current; a means of transmitting communication signals or messages.”

Chuck said, “All of a sudden, I saw a word of knowledge blazed across the heavenly realms over us. It was the word CIRCUIT. Suddenly, I saw the Lord reach down inside us and pull out a circuit. Then, with His hand He began to re-circuit individuals, followed by re-circuiting this region and, finally, re-circuiting our nation.”

Chuck continued, “You know what happens when you really ‘kill’ a computer – that’s the easiest way to say it. You see, a computer stores all sorts of trash within it, and just turning it off and back on doesn’t get rid of the trash and garbage that has been stored in various parts of it. You have to go in and ‘kill’ that circuit, then bring it back up again”

He then prophesied, “The Lord says, ‘I’m going to make My people so in line with My purposes, so thinking the way I’m thinking, they will have no choice but to start walking in a new way.’”

Elaborating, he said, “In this vision the word ‘circuit,’ I believe, means a line, a message, a current that’s gone out. It went out, then it came full circle back in. For this nation, as He was re-circuiting it, I saw a date that came in on His circuit, and all of a sudden the computer popped back up on October the 18th. Beginning October the 18th, get ready!

“The Lord said, “You will know, beginning October the 18th, in this nation, that things have come full circle. You will also know that I have pulled the plug on [ie. ‘killing’] things you’ve been asking me to pull the plug on.

“I say, when I pull these plugs – I’ll do it one by one – the messages that have gone out in the past, will not be the same messages I allow to go out in the future.

“Know this, My circuit is going out from the heavens and as My voice goes out on that circuit, I say to you, it will NOT return void. What begins tonight, in Tennessee, will cause a nation to be circuited again with My message.’ 

Chuck told me later that what he felt Holy Spirit was saying about “pulling the plug” and re-circuiting the nation was in reference to what has been happening in our nation since late 2019, that a confrontation is coming. Just as we are now seeing resistance, such as walkouts, etc. when inappropriate things are said and done in our nation, these things will continue to be confronted one by one. The layers of lies and confusion that have covered us in our nation are going to come off, one by one. 

This means the church will think differently…and the nation will begin to think differently. Get ready for this shift!”

NOW, this is especially interesting because I had a list things to begin blogging on that day BUT instead knew I had to follow up on what was visually seen and happening first in my Monday. Pre-dawn, bright fiery clouds were across the sky and ‘coinciding’ with my 7 am scheduled blog on FIREWALL Against Evil by Mario Murillo, and the first item on opening my Facebook was Yvonne Coomb’s painting of red clouds and her calling eagles to rise.

My action list got abandoned temporarily on 18th October – the plug got pulled on it!

Nevertheless, those and other items are directly relevant to that date AND this word of action from the Lord – as we shall soon read…

Angelic presence at No. 10 Downing Street, London – Veronika West

After listening whilst gardening to Chuck Pierce talking to Dutch Sheets about this year’s Passover being like the first; a significant turning point in global history…I was attentive to all his references regarding the pandemic and noted neither mentioned the most significant similarity: being preceded by plague and pestilence. Upon getting indoors I find Veronika’s posted this:

“AN ANGELIC MESSENGER OF THE LORD SENT TO No. 10”…!

While praying this morning for Prime Minister Boris Johnson I was caught up in a vision where I was standing in front of No.10 and an Angel of the Lord Appeared beside the Door of No.10 and I saw written upon his chest was the number ’10’ and suddenly I saw the numbers ‘1010’ come up before me and I heard these words, “THE THIEF COMES ONLY TO STEAL, KILL AND DESTROY; I HAVE COME THAT THEY MAY HAVE LIFE AND HAVE IT TO THE FULL”….John 10:10.

As I heard those words, I looked again at the Angel of the Lord and the Spirit of Revelation then quickened to me DANIEL 10, and immediately I recognised that the Angel was A MESSENGER OF THE LORD SENT TO INFORM US THAT A MIGHTY BATTLE IS RAGING IN REALM OF THE SPIRIT RIGHT NOW OVER THE NATION AND EVEN THAT OF BORIS JOHNSON.., BUT THAT WE ARE NOT TO BE AFRAID!  BUT FROM THE MOMENT OUR PRAYERS WERE HEARD, HEAVEN HAS MOVED ON OUR BEHALF…..(LET US CONTINUE PRAYING UNTIL THE VICTORY IS MADE FULLY MANIFEST)…,

…and as I watched the Angel of the Lord suddenly I saw him lift a sword up over the Door of No.10 and in the twinkling of an eye I saw the 10 Plagues of Egypt come up before me and the “10th” plague being when the FIRST BORN was killed and then I heard these words, “PUT THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB ON THE DOORPOST FOR THE SPIRIT OF DEATH WILL PASS OVER”…as I heard those words, I saw the Angel then lift up his sword again for a second time and a man appeared before the Door of No 10 and he knelt down before the Angel of the Lord and I watched as the Messenger of the Lord took his sword and ‘KNIGHTED THE MAN’ and suddenly the ‘LIGHTS OF NO 10 CAME ON IN THE BACKGROUND’…

and then I heard these words,

“FOR A PEOPLE WALKING IN DARKNESS WILL SEE A GREAT LIGHT, FOR THOSE WHO LIVE IN A LAND OF DEEP DARKNESS, A LIGHT WILL SHINE”

...on hearing those words, it as quickened to me ‘ISAIAH 9’…and then I watched as the Messenger Angel of the Lord departed and the man stood up and walked into the Door of No. 10…!

55…HOPE AND DOUBLE GRACE…!
Forgot to share; But As I was praying after the vision I saw the NUMBER 5…and then I saw TWO FIVES (55) and I heard the words “HOPE AND DOUBLE GRACE”…it was immediately quickened to me…Romans 5:5 that says, “And HOPE does not disappoint us, because God has poured out His love into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, whom He has given us”..,then I heard “WITH SHOUTS OF GRACE, GRACE TO IT”…!

“What are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel you will become a plain. Then he will bring forth the capstone accompanied by shouts of ‘Grace, grace to it!’”

As I prayed concerning these two verses which I felt were significant for both BJ and our Nation, the Lord quickened to me Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s age…He is 55 yrs old….and I heard the Spirit say,

“DOUBLE GRACE SHALL BE POURED OUT UPON THIS LAND AND UPON ITS PEOPLE, WATCH! FOR THE MOUNTAIN SHALL BECOME A PLAIN AND THE CAPSTONE SHALL COME FORTH, FOR NOW I AM BUILDING AND ESTABLISHING MY KINGDOM PURPOSES IN THIS NATION”..!

RB: AMEN, and again Amen.

RB PS. I blogged some years ago on number 55 as being of a personal significance. 

Prophesied exposure of lies and corruption includes China, Iran etc (F/P #10.10)

This 10th installment of monitoring fulfillments of my prophetical musing four years ago on the Lord exposing political corruption, covers prophet Tomi Arayomi reporting upon the MSM’s (mainstream media) global misinformation. He begins by reviewing what he and Chuck Pierce prophesied last year about China and needs to cite Australian reports and a single news network in USA for facts on The Biggest Lie You Never Heard

Streamed live last Thursday 2nd April I watched whilst sunbathing on Sunday afternoon and then the next day read this headline in the Telegraph’s broadsheet:

China’s Orchestrated Disinformation Campaign is Costing Lives, MPs Warn

Political correspondent Amy Jones writes, ‘An orchestrated disinformation campaign by China and other countries is “costing British lives” in the fight against coronavirus, the Chair of the Commons Foreign Affairs Committee has warned. 

In a new report MPs claim that China – where the virus originated in an animal ’wet market’ – sought to “obfuscate” over what was really happening when the outbreak began when it should have played a key role in collecting data on its spread.

‘The committee’s Chair Tom Tugendhat told the Telegraph: “The Government has modelled their response to the coronavirus based on information from across the world. That is impossible to do if a country is misleading you.

“China’s lies are costing British lives. Now, more than ever, Britain needs to think about resetting its relationship with China.”

‘The committee’s Viral Immunity report also singled out Iran and Russia as being responsible for disseminating false information about the pandemic.

‘The committee called on the UK Government to work alongside its international allies, to actively “confront and rebut” disinformation being pumped out by foreign powers…continue reading here (emphases mine).

On this theme of lying world leaders, I note China claims Trump caused the outbreak!

I trust inclusion of news on a Parliamentary committee’s action will enable this to pass scrutiny by the Government’s Covid-19 fake news unit!

PS (later posts):
PPS (15 April):

Dr Jon Hemmings, assoc fellow with the Henry Jackson Society Asia Studies Centre writes in  World Health Organisation has come under China’s growing – and malign – influence,

‘…Criticism of the WHO has particularly targeted its Director, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, who is said to owe his appointment to China, for following Chinese preferences over internationally agreed guidelines – such as the International Health Regulations (IHR) – even going so far as to delay announcing it as a pandemic to avoid hurting China’s international standing. As Beijing’s was detaining its own doctors – early heroes against the disease – and suppressing geonomic research on the disease, Tedros was praising China for its “transparency” and “leadership”. 

Perhaps more damningly, Taiwanese diplomats have claimed the WHO ignored early warnings in December about Covid-19 transmission from its own experts – in order to please Beijing – indicating that we might have been saved this pandemic if the WHO had merely listened.

‘This corruption of the WHO’s function is symptomatic of a wider trend, which has seen Beijing take over one-third of the UN’s 15 specialized agencies, appointing its officials to important posts where they immediately beginning implementing “Sino-centric” policies, using a combination of arm-twisting and lobbying…’ 

Weekend Reading: novella published 2014 prophesies plague in UK (FP #162.3)

This month there’s been more references popping up on items of a prophetical nature from six years ago. (The first related to the media mirroring my ‘bulldozer’ vision – three #45 entries at Fulfilled Prophecies refer.)

One directly connecting the prophetic with the current pandemic is a story penned by Kathy Laity, and which Malcolm Sim of Fire International Ministries kindly drew to my attention

Kathy informs Prophetic Releasers for UK Revival, “In 2014 my book The Watcher’s House came out. It’s a prophetic novella based around heavenly encounters but primarily the four teenagers journey to heaven, each encounter Jesus in a different form of healing before gathering the leaves from the trees for the healing of the nations, to bring back with them to earth because there is a pandemic raging. The parallels with what is happening globally are striking and I’ve sensed there‘s a key within the book. I’ve been pondering it for days, then today Lana Vawser released a word about it’s time to release the leaves for the healing of the nations…[per Rev 22 – RB: that No. again!]

“I’ve been releasing a couple of chapters a day…on my blog because it’s so relevant for what is happening with the covid19. It’s a teenage novella which carries hope and promise. If you’re interested, I’ve just posted the third instalment. The link is below.

THE WATCHER’S HOUSE

The Beginning
The Watcher waits at the world’s edge. In this thin place he is always watching. Eyes closed, visions flit across his inner mind; terrifying videos, throbbing with sound.
          ‘They must come soon,’ He murmurs, ‘The whole world depends on them – the whole world!’
          His eyes snap open. He begins to pace, back and forth, back and forth, his long coat flapping behind him. Periodically, luminous Messengers arrive with news of gathering perils.  He collates the information, studies his charts, paces once more deep in thought.
          At specific moments he climbs to his observatory.  Scanning the night sky he gathers data to confirm his growing knowledge. From there, he ascends to the Library of the Courts, seeking out ancient annals which warn of this coming age.  There his discoveries are confirmed.  As his finger rests pointing to words of an ancient text, he muses, ‘So, it has finally come to this!’  He slaps the book shut, gathers his flowing cloak around him and begins the long but hurried descent back to his observatory. Two glowing Messengers accompany him, fully aware his mind is preoccupied. Their duty is to deliver him back safely.
          Once more he’s found muttering. ‘But who are they? What are their names? When will they be revealed?’  Outside he scans to the furthest horizon: north, south, east, west and spies a Messenger arriving as fast as light itself. It skims the horizon flashing as a bolt of lightning, hidden from all but the experienced eye.
          The approach stills The Watcher.  He recognises the One who comes to deliver this message.  Bowing, light shimmering and sparking off him, the Messenger greets him. ‘They are prepared.  They come even now.  This is their hour.’

An enticing narrative, so I encourage you to read How It All Starts (lower on page).

One of Kathy’s friends just having reread The Watcher’s House comments; “I read it a couple of days ago and loved it again. So apposite for these times. Who could have known or seen into the future six years ahead? Only The Father and the Son!!”

MOREOVER, in view of the whole story’s prophetical nature I was pleasantly surprised to see its content echoed very recently by Chuck Pierce’s prophecy team in this update on his prophecy on the pandemic, The Nations In Turmoil:

Your Time to Climb!

God says, “I am releasing a new level of faith within My people! What you did not see in the last season you will now begin to see. You will now begin to see and ascend in a new way. Reach up and climb the waterfall before you. As you reach up, a stairway will form to where I am taking you.

“Climb what I have set in front of you! Climb what I have set in front of you! Although the enemy has laughed and said you will never get to the top and through the next door, this is your time to climb the stairs I have placed in front of you. I am already behind that door at the top of the stairs and laughing at your enemy.

“In this season of overcoming joy, begin to release your laugh and experience My freedom that will enable you to overcome. Even though you may feel you are at the point of absolute failure and defeat, My angels will help you ascend…step by step…and cause you to keep pressing forward.

“I am opening a new portal in the heavenly realm and assigning new angels to help escort you up into the heavenly places and back onto the earth. I stand in the heavenlies and laugh, and I cause you to stand in the earth and laugh at your enemies. For at this time and this season, I will cause you to laugh at your enemies as an overcoming and victorious spirit rises within you as you have not had in times past.

“There is a new source of wind in the earth. This movement is not just My breath that is going forth, but the wind created by the wings of My angelic hosts. I am releasing a unique host to create winds to blow away occult coverings, and to bring forth winds of refreshing and rain from the atmosphere.

“There are things I am beginning to shake within you that will cause a new breath to come into you. As you ascend, you will be positioned on My new trajectory of advance.” (Prophetic word given by: Brian Kooiman, Sheryl Price, Chuck Pierce, Mistie Lohse, Eleanor Roehl, Lisa Lyons, and Dee Dee Roberts)

Update: Chuck Pierce continues on his previous re ‘pandemic’

Further to recent postings, here’s Chuck’s article of 13th March on The Elijah List:

The Nations in Turmoil: Declare, “The Fear will be Overcome by Laughter!”

Tomi Arayomi: “This is not the end of the world. This is the Distraction!”

Tomi Arayomi shares an encounter he had with the Lord at 3am yesterday concerning the Corona virus. He provides a succinct summary of recent prophecies, closing with  Dr Sharon Stone’s insight on the pandemic as an illegal, two-pronged demonic attack. God has shown Tomi and other Prophets it is a distraction and, whilst many prophesy doom and gloom, this global pandemic is no coincidence.

Chuck Pierce prophecies of Sept 2019 & Jan 2020 re. the coronavirus pandemic

Just received > In announcing the postponement of the Mentoring Day and Prophetic Conference in Windsor scheduled for April, Dr Sharon Stone of Christian International Europe apologises for the inconvenience and says,

‘We hope to proceed with our May Mentoring day on the 9th May 2020.  It is going to be an exciting time where we will be continuing with our Prophetic Praise and Worship and Emerging Prophets track as well as our National Prayer.

‘We pray that you will remain in faith and not in fear.  Click here to read the prophetic word released by Chuck Pierce (at) last September’s Head of the Year conference.  We would love for you to pray into it.’

Regarding my posting on the tide turning for the coronavirus pandemic, it’s interesting to read in the Charisma News link about Stephen Strang’s interview of Shawn Bolz, who shared why he felt the Lord told him the end of the coronavirus is near. 

Strang continues (emphases added):

Prophet Chuck Pierce says God told him something similar. Back in September of 2019, he prophesied that the “nations would come into turmoil until Passover” (April 8-16).

‘Then on January 26, 2020, he gave a prophetic word that a “massive plague-like invasion would test us through Passover.” Cindy Jacobs gave a similar prophecy to Chuck on Jan. 3 regarding the first three months of this year. She told Chuck that he should be cautious about how much he travels.

“I had gone 570,000 miles last year and was weary from all the travel and warfare,” Chuck says. “She actually shared that the Lord was saying that I needed rest, but I recognized the admonition to be a caution on my travel for the first three months of 2020. Therefore, I have watched the Lord make sure I’ve had more time to rest and write, and I’ve actually stopped most international travel during these three months.”

‘It’s important we listen to what the prophets are saying about this matter. Even though the media gives us facts, those who listen carefully to God’s heart can give us spiritual insight.

‘Chuck points to two passages in the book of Joel as Scriptures that are prophetic for this hour:

“Do not be afraid, land; exult and rejoice, for the Lord has done great things! Do not be afraid, beasts of the field, because the wild pastures flourish, because the tree bears its fruit; the fig tree and the vine yield their abundance. And children of Zion, exult and rejoice in the Lord your God, because He has given to you the early rain for vindication. He showers down rains for you, the early rain and the latter rain, as before” (Joel 2:21-23).

“Hurry and come, all you surrounding nations, and gather there. Bring down Your warriors, O Lord. Let the nations be roused, and go up to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; for there I will sit to judge all the surrounding nations. … Multitudes, multitudes, in the valley of decision! For the day of the Lord is near in the valley of the decision” (Joel 3:11-12, 14).’

Read in full > Chuck Pierce Prophesied ‘Massive Plague-like Invasion’ in September.

Prophecies about July 2019 (extracts for reference, informative comment)

In view of the current confusion on whether or not, or when, Brexit comes into effect, the following extracts from prophetic words published herein serve for quick reference purposes. I was present when the first was delivered and mentally noted to monitor this word’s fulfillment in view of its short time-scale – especially because it foretells issues of some sort will arise after the legal date of 29th March 2019 for Brexit coming into effect. I didn’t consider it could be delayed because that date was already laid down in Law!!!

So, whatever would happen over the period of end-October 2018 to early July 2019? Continue reading

Update on American’s dreams of Big Ben and implied political and national ‘shake-down’

‘See that you do not refuse Him who speaks. For if they did not escape who refused Him who spoke on earth, much more shall we not escape if we turn away from Him who speaks from heaven, whose voice then shook the earth; but now He has promised, saying, “Yet once more I shake not only the earth, but also heaven.” Now this “Yet once more,” indicates the removal of those things that are being shaken, as of things that are made, that the things which cannot be shaken may remain. Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us have grace, by which we [l]may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear. For our God is a consuming fire.’ [Hebrews 12:25-29 – Biblegateway]

On Saturday 2nd March Tony Puccio posted Big Ben: Another Dream wherein he says:

‘I had a dream last night where I was in a room with many gear wheels moving in various directions. Then I was shown the face of a clock and realized it to be Big Ben. I saw that the hands were about to strike 12 and as they did the clock began to crumble. I watched it fall in the same way the twin towers fell. The twin towers, if you recall, were hit by planes used as bombs. I can’t say that this was the case here although the analogy was in my dream.’

This is the next in a sequence of five dreams, which I listed in January here, but it does not appear to be entirely prophetical for it describes the current state of unprecedented upheaval across British politics that’s arisen from attempting to implement the largest ever electoral vote in our political history, the Referendum of 2016. This instructed the government to remove the UK from membership of the European Union.

That is, it shows Britain’s at its midnight hour – all seems to be falling to rack and ruin, for it’s part of the shaking foretold in scripture and by many prophetical voices of late. However, there is hope that someone good [LOL – just noted the typo: it should read ‘something’; but best left alone!] will come out of this, as clearly implied in the previous dream Tony recorded on 13 Sept 2017, Big Ben Attack By Insiders:

‘I had a dream where I saw a group of people gathered around Big Ben. Everyone in the group had sledge hammers in their hands. Not the kind one would see if one were breaking up rocks or driving a railroad spike but rather the smaller one but nonetheless still capable of inflicting damage if used to do so. With that said I saw people gathered around Big Ben and they were beating it with sledge hammers and inflicting damage to it, However, each time those striking Big Ben would inflict damage to it, the damage inflicted would miraculously be restored as if nothing had happened. I remember hearing Parliament in the dream so I am assuming that it was them who were attacking the clock although their attempts in the dream were futile. This is the first time that I recall in dreams I’ve had about Big Ben where the government was involved in attacking it.’ [Emphasis RB]

TIMING

I wasn’t moved to re-blog that latest dream and the last couple of days have been too busy to do so. Also, I was waiting further developments and thus thinking of linking in some parliamentary news. But today I noted an apposite comment had been posted overnight by Dave Hood to London On The Brink: 4 Nights of Prayer and, in my spirit, know that although noted 14 years ago, it connects directly into that dream’s reference to the miraculous restoration of ‘Big Ben’ – and so is important to consider and weigh.

Dave writes: Continue reading

A prophetical banner-headline for Prime Minister May?

Daily Telegraph’s front page headline, Monday 10th December 2018

The Telegraph’s editor presumes Mrs May prayed for divine help in church yesterday!

Well, Jesus did give instruction on how to pray to our heavenly Father, including to ask for ‘deliverance from the evil one’! – “and no (ie reverse) you-may-be-into-carrying us into trial but rescue-you us from the wicked-one…”  [Matthew 6:13, Literal Greek]

It’s an interesting headline in view of not only many words of prophecy but also a couple of contributions to this blog on The Lifeguard and on The ‘Rescue’. And a friend informs me of seeing a financial advisor’s proposal to investors for an ‘Exodus Strategy’!

As the 2016 Referendum vote was an Act of God, one that even challenges churches, we know that the reality of Britain’s leaving and be freed from the shackles of the EU is one gi-normous spiritual battle. Therefore, we know Mrs May’s ‘deliverance’ is not so much from politicians and leaders, whether here or abroad, as from ungodly spirits that use them for satanic strategies and purposes.

Moreover, many were praying for as well as making prophetic declarations over the PM, her government and all MPs yesterday, eg. Catch The Fire Bournemouth (see National Day of Prayer Fb reports), Call The Nation To Prayer etc; as well as daily declarations of Passion For The Nation’s 12-Days to Shape a Nation.

AND today is the 40th day since Chuck Pierce brought a powerful prophetic promise and decree especially for London, during this critical time in our national history:

“Angels are above you, aligning you around this city, to move in ways they’ve not moved…It’s been 13 years since I felt like this about this city – God’s eye is on this city right now. He’s watching you and He’s moving in the city.

“I’m here to announce to you; there will be an alignment of angelic hosts after the next 40 days that will help you…

“Lord, I decree: in the next 40 days there will be a rolling away (of the old season and its reproaches, thus removing whatever the enemy can use to manifest as you move). You are starting anew and afresh!”  [Read full transcript here.]

I recall the astonishing and alarming accuracy of the word he brought in 2005 (as here and here) at the time of Big Ben inexplicably and coincidentally stopping, and the gross outrage committed my maniacal muslims on the 40th day, all of which was followed by an extensive vision for Wendy Alec about Britain breaking free of the EU’s shackles.

SO, LORD BLESS AND MAKE THIS WEEK EVEN MORE REMARKABLE!

Transcript of Chuck Pierce word on 40 days for London

A transcript of the exceptional prophetic word brought by Chuck Pierce on crucial 40 days for London is now available for readers of this blog to weigh and pray over with the Lord by clicking here.

Chuck delivered this word on 30th October and after 40 days, on 11th December, MPs are to vote upon the EU Withdrawal Agreement. I doubt that this schedule could have been pre-arranged between Chuck and Prime Minister Theresa May!

The references at the close of his message to London as being the “Mother Bridle City” may have a connection with the equine-related prophetic words published by Veronika West on Unbridling of Britain and Yvonne Combs on Shanballat Arising on 27th and 30th November respectively.