A split in Islam and Erdogan eyes up Jerusalem – historian Simon S. Montefiore

MOST APPOSITE for only last night this essential viewing was shared on our Breakfast Bible Study group’s online discussion.

First however, here’s Michael A. Rothman’s coverage:

๐„๐‘๐ƒ๐Ž๐†๐€๐ ๐๐Ž๐– ๐‚๐Ž๐Œ๐Œ๐€๐๐ƒ๐’ ๐๐€๐“๐Žโ€™๐’ ๐Ÿ๐๐ƒ-๐๐ˆ๐†๐†๐„๐’๐“ ๐€๐‘๐Œ๐˜โ€”๐€๐๐ƒ ๐‡๐„โ€™๐’ ๐„๐˜๐„๐ˆ๐๐† ๐‰๐„๐‘๐”๐’๐€๐‹๐„๐Œ

Iran spent the summer getting hammered by Israeli and American strikes. Historian Simon Sebag Montefiore says that vacuum isnโ€™t staying empty โ€” Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is filling it. โ€œ๐˜›๐˜ถ๐˜ณ๐˜ฌ๐˜ฆ๐˜บ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ด ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฃ๐˜ช๐˜จ๐˜จ๐˜ฆ๐˜ด๐˜ต ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฎ๐˜บ ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ ๐˜•๐˜ˆ๐˜›๐˜– ๐˜ข๐˜ง๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ ๐˜ˆ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜ช๐˜ค๐˜ข. ๐˜๐˜ณ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ด ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ ๐˜ด๐˜ฐ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ๐˜ธ๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ฅ๐˜ช๐˜ฎ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ๐˜ช๐˜ด๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ, ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ธ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฐ๐˜ธ ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ต๐˜ฐ ๐˜ต๐˜ข๐˜ฌ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜ณ ๐˜ฑ๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜ค๐˜ฆ ๐˜ช๐˜ฏ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜”๐˜ช๐˜ฅ๐˜ฅ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ ๐˜Œ๐˜ข๐˜ด๐˜ตโ€โ€™, Montefiore said Erdoganโ€™s new line amounts to, describing it on the TRIGGERnometry podcast as a straight bid to โ€œ๐˜ค๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ต๐˜ณ๐˜ฐ๐˜ญ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜จ๐˜ข๐˜ช๐˜ฏ ๐˜ค๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ต๐˜ณ๐˜ฐ๐˜ญ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง ๐˜ด๐˜ฐ๐˜ฎ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ง ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ด ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ธ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ค๐˜ฆ ๐˜ค๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ต๐˜ณ๐˜ฐ๐˜ญ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ข๐˜ด ๐˜–๐˜ต๐˜ต๐˜ฐ๐˜ฎ๐˜ข๐˜ฏ๐˜ดโ€.

What Erdogan is chasing, Montefiore explained, isnโ€™t Ataturkโ€™s secular republic. Itโ€™s the old Ottoman Sultanate, which once ruled from Algiers to the borders of Iran, from Yemen to Crimea, and into Europe as far as Budapest. Erdogan wants the Muslim half of that map back โ€” commanding a ๐ฌ๐ž๐œ๐จ๐ง๐-๐›๐ข๐ ๐ ๐ž๐ฌ๐ญ ๐š๐ซ๐ฆ๐ฒ ๐ข๐ง ๐๐€๐“๐Ž gives him the muscle to reach for it.

That reach now has an address. Montefiore said Erdogan is โ€œnow talking openly aboutโ€ ๐๐ž๐ข๐ซ๐ฎ๐ญ, ๐ƒ๐š๐ฆ๐š๐ฌ๐œ๐ฎ๐ฌ, ๐š๐ง๐ ๐‰๐ž๐ซ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐š๐ฅ๐ž๐ฆ as Ottoman and Turkish cities, and warned the Turkish government is ๐Ÿ๐š๐ง๐ง๐ข๐ง๐  ๐Ÿ๐ฅ๐š๐ฆ๐ž๐ฌ ๐จ๐Ÿ ๐ฐ๐š๐ซ โ€œpotentially with Israelโ€.

It isnโ€™t a new appetite. Even Ataturk tried to seize Mosul before the League of Nations handed it to British-mandate Iraq instead. Erdogan is now openly challenging the 1923 Treaty of Lausanne that drew Turkeyโ€™s modern borders and buried the Ottoman claim to the region for good โ€” or so everyone thought.

Montefioreโ€™s bottom line: the Middle Eastโ€™s three preeminent military powers โ€” Iran, Turkey, and Israel โ€” arenโ€™t even Arab-speaking. Weaken one, and the other two donโ€™t split the difference quietly.

๐ˆ๐ซ๐š๐งโ€™๐ฌ ๐Ÿ๐š๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐๐ข๐๐งโ€™๐ญ ๐ž๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ž ๐ญ๐ก๐ซ๐ž๐š๐ญ, ๐ข๐ญ ๐ฃ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ญ ๐œ๐ก๐š๐ง๐ ๐ž๐ ๐ข๐ญ๐ฌ ๐Ÿ๐ฅ๐š๐ !

VITALLY IMPORTANT HISTORY

Simon Sebag Montefiore isย  an ACE historian and good to get a full reminder of Middle-Eastern history. It confirms how the Lord showed me the danger of Iran in a remarkable God-incidence years before I became a believer, as told in Bio Info.

Chris Cowell presents this useful reminder of Basic History for the Uninformed:

1. Before Israel, there was a British mandate, not a Palestinian state.

2. Before the British Mandate, there was the Ottoman Empire, not a Palestinian state.

3. Before the Ottoman Empire, there was the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, not a Palestinian state.

4. Before the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, there was the Ayubid-Kurdish Empire, not a Palestinian state.

5. Before the Ayubid Empire, there was the Crusader Frankish and the Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, not a Palestinian state.

6. Before the Kingdom of Jerusalem, there were the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, not a Palestinian state.

7. Before the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, there was the Byzantine empire, not a Palestinian state.

8. there was the Sassanid-Persian Empire before the Byzantine Empire, not a Palestinian state.

9. Before the Sassanid-Persian Empire, there was the Byzantine Empire again, not a Palestinian state.

10. there was the Roman Empire, not a Palestinian state, before the Byzantine Empire.

11. Before the Roman Empire, there was the Jewish Hasmonean state, not a Palestinian state.

12. Before the Jewish Hasmonean state was the Hellenistic Seleucid Empire, not a Palestinian state.

13. Before the Hellenistic Seleucid empire, there was Alexander the Great’s empire, not a Palestinian state.

14. Before Alexander the Great, there was the Persian Empire, not a Palestinian state.

15. Before the Persian Empire, there was the Babylonian Empire, not a Palestinian state.

16. Before the Babylonian Empire, the kingdoms of Israel and Judah were not Palestinian states.

17. Before the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, there was the Kingdom of Israel, not a Palestinian state.

18. Before the Kingdom of Israel, there was the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, not a Palestinian state.

19. Before the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, there was an agglomeration of independent Canaanite city-kingdoms, not a Palestinian state.

There have been many governments there, but never a Palestine.

(Khan Fatima on X)

The historian makes a particularly pertinent point that caught my attention relating to my postings on a schism within Islam.

So, here’s Simon speaking from 1:12:25

“…and so there are these two great traditions in the Arab world and you that’s what again brings us to what’s happened now in a much wider plane, which is what is happening now is not just between kind of the West and a resistant axis of Iran and its allies like Hamas and Hezbollah.

No, what’s really happening today is a debate and a war within Islam about which which road of Islam they should follow. And there is a huge tradition, a huge tradition and one that I love, within Islam which is open to others which is always negotiating how the relationship between Sharia law and society and state should be, which recognizes all sorts of viewpoints within itself.

And that tradition is as ancient as the Arab state is ancient. And you see it throughout the history of the two great empires the Umiads and the Abbisids into the Fatimids. This is constantly a presence there and it’s one that we should recognize and we would welcome….”ย 

HERE’S LOTS MORE, especially on the 1917 liberation of Jerusalem by British General Allenby (ie Ala-Nabi, prophet of God!) herein:

Conversations and corrections over history of Palestine and Israel – 1 of 2

Conversations and corrections over history of Palestine and Israel – 2 of 2

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