UK/EU in/out #3: In the Face of God

I’m grateful to Dave Chapman for this paper of 7th April and especially for emphasing the importance of Christians taking a stand (hence my under-linings) and for including some prophetical visions. The Footnote updates the first section and considers the Lord’s hand behind the exposures of anti-Semitism in UK politics.:


We have reached a time in our nation where we need to stand up and be counted. Here is an example why :-

In recognition of Baal worship

“On April 19, 2016, in cooperation with national and international cultural heritage preservation organizations, and in conjunction with World Heritage Week 2016, the Institute for Digital Archaeology will install a monumental scale reconstruction of Palmyra’s Triumphal Arch on Trafalgar Square. Through this project — and others like it scheduled throughout 2016 in cities both inside and outside the Middle East — the IDA seeks to provide an optimistic and constructive response to the ongoing threats to history and heritage that have captured headlines over the past year. Our aim is to highlight the potential for the triumph of human ingenuity over violence by offering innovative, technology-driven options for the stewardship of objects and architecture from our shared past”. (Source: IDA website original).

A considered response

‘Voice for Justice’ make a response this way (most of original on Voice for Justice UK – News) :-

‘We call on the Mayor of London, Boris Johnson, and Roger Michel, executive director of the Institute for Digital Archaeology, to abandon immediately the scheme to reconstruct the Arch of Palmyra in Trafalgar Square on April 19.  In 2015 the pictures of destruction by ISIS/Daesh of the Temple of Bel (also known as Baal Shamin) in Palmyra rightly shocked the world, and attempts to safeguard the world’s historical heritage from future acts of senseless aggression are to be applauded.

‘However, the reconstruction of the temple arch in Trafalgar Square on April 19 by the Oxford based Institute of Digital Archaeology (IDS) will serve a much darker purpose….. From earliest times Baal was a powerful symbol for evil and the occult: a pagan Canaanite god who demanded regular and bloody appeasement by child sacrifice.  Baal worship, representing all that was evil, was particularly condemned in the Bible (e.g. Leviticus 18:21).

‘In terms of symbolic value, however, even more disturbing is the date chosen for the reconstruction of the monument, because in occult belief, April 19 marks the Feast of Moloch, another ancient Canaanite god, specifically associated with Baal (e.g. Jeremiah 32:35), who also demanded child sacrifice.  April 19 marks the first day of a thirteen day period known as the “blood sacrifice to the beast,” and culminates in the high occult holy day of Beltane on 1st May……[NB. date for Footnote]

‘….Without question, April 19…is one of the most significant dates in the occult calendar. Was the selection of this particular date to reconstruct an ancient monument to the god Baal random or deliberate?  Either way, it is extremely unfortunate, to say the least.

‘If we allow the erection of this Arch we will be placing a symbol of death, murder, child sacrifice and sexual immorality in the heart of London…….. And we call on the Mayor of London to uphold the UK’s Christian heritage and ban the erection of a monument that is clearly hostile to Christian belief.”

Flying in the Face of God

Surely such a thing flies in the face of God.  Our battle though is not a physical one, even though we cannot stay silent by failing to protest its erection in our Capital City, despite their claim that it is apparently intended only for World Heritage purposes. Why should we celebrate what we know is specifically identified in Scripture as a forbidden ‘god’ by the Lord Himself!?  Of course, as Christians we do not, but why should we not speak up, as those aware of evil things, since we desire blessing upon our Nation, not cursing.

Another edifice to ‘another god’ 

There again, there is our Union with Europe, which as we pray for our Nation to return to God, includes praying concerning this upcoming Referendum Vote on the 23rd June, and, as we do, we find clarity that the prime issue is a spiritual one.  It is clear that the whole of this Union is constructed not only on a Godless basis – in fact God is not mentioned in any of the founding or official documents of this Union – which therefore stands in direct competition to God, in setting itself up as an alternative power to rule – therefore as an alternative Kingdom.  That, in itself is an alignment with the spirit of anti-Christ.  We shall return to this aspect.

A grand example to us all 

Not only this, but as a Nation – I mean the current British Isles – we have a Monarch, who achieves her 90th birthday on the 21st of this month, who recognises, and serves, our God as her King, and recommends  the Christian Gospel.  For instance, in her Coronation vows, the Queen requested Gods help to make good her vow to the Nation – which is ‘to be devoted to our service’ – and requested Him’ to bless us all’.  At this same Coronation she received the Bible, given to her at that time as  “The most valuable thing that this world affords”.  Later, the Queen in her message to the Nation in 2008 expressed, in speaking of Jesus of Nazareth (there is no disputing who she speaks of), that “so many of us are able to draw inspiration from His message, and to find in Him a source of strength and courage”.

Then in her message of 2012, when speaking to us, the Queen quoted from the carol  “In the bleak mid winter” these words  “What can I give him, poor as I am?  If I were a shepherd, I would bring a lamb; if I were a wise man I would do my part. Yet, what I can I give him? – give my heart”.  It is clear the Queen understands to love and follow Christ is a matter of the heart and not of words only.

All these things are imbedded in our Constitutional Monarchy, and have been for centuries the basis of our Governmental authority. Yet we find no such thing in the EU Constitution.  Are we really wanting to give up such a Godly heritage?  If so we will find a quickening decline into open rebellion against God, with pretty dire spiritual, and natural consequences.  As if we are not in considerable trouble with our present spiritual state already!

Choose the better path

No, it is time to stand up and be counted – and be clear about it.  We need to leave the EU. It may be the only opportunity we get before the whole thing descends into more and more chaos.  It’s central Parliament is as we know held in Brussels, the Capital of Belgium, which itself became locked in confusion for over one year and seven months as it tried to put together a Coalition after their last Election.  What an example from the EU’s present Capital City!  We can see what happened here:-

‘Following the Belgian general election held on 13 June 2010, a process of cabinet formation started in Belgium. The election produced a very fragmented political landscape, with 11 parties elected to the Chamber of Representatives, none of which won more than 20% of the seats. The separatist New Flemish Alliance (N-VA), the largest party in Flanders and the country as a whole, controls 27 of 150 seats in the lower chamber. The Francophone Socialist Party (PS), the largest in Wallonia, controls 26 seats. Cabinet negotiations continued for a long time. On 1 June 2011, Belgium matched the record for time taken to form a new democratic government after an election, at 353 days, held until then by Cambodia in 2003–2004.[1] On 11 October 2011, the final agreement for institutional reform was presented to the media. A government coalition was named on 5 December 2011 and sworn in after a total of 541 days of negotiations and formation on 6 December 2011,[2] and 589 days without an elected government [3] with Elio Di Rupo named Prime Minister of the Di Rupo I Government.’  (The bold letters are mine – DC – for emphasis. Otherwise all above as quote from Wikipedia here) :-

Can we really ignore what confusion and ineptness, as a Governmental example, we have from the very seat of this unwieldy Organisation?  We may do so at our peril.  Could their malaise over the Jihadists living in areas of Brussels be connected to this lack of Government?  At least they do not have to vote again till 2019 though!

However, in finding out how Belgium got its name, we discover its ancient roots are linked with the worship of Bel, and Belenus, the Babylonian and Celtic sun gods, indicating  ‘lord and master’, known otherwise as Baal also! Conspiracy of links?   No, clear demonic overlay.  We have pointed out before also the Statue of the Woman riding on the Bull shown outside the European Buildings there.  Apocalyptic imagery indeed.

Another EU Parliament?

Of course, the other Parliament in the EU is in Strasbourg.  Built there at a cost to Member Countries of the EU of some 500 million Euros – let alone the secondary buildings! – and designed to represent the unfinished Tower of Babel – which itself means “confusion”  – (The people who built this original Tower attempted to enter spiritual realms beyond this earth to gain power to operate totally independently of God, so were scattered by the Lord through confusion their languages) – It is active for just 4 days a month, when papers, personnel, security, MEP’s, the whole shebang – decamps from Brussels to hold Parliament there, and then back! 

The strap-line to Sunday Telegraph’s Chief Reporter Robert Mendick’s report The Farce of the EU Travelling Circus published on 11 January 2014 reads.:

‘The full cost of the travelling circus that sees MEPs decamp once a month from Brussels to Strasbourg can be disclosed. And even though MEPs have voted to scrap a second parliament, the French government has the power to block any such move.’


Photo credit: ALAMY

What of us?

Are we any better though?  It’s not really a point of ‘being better’, is it?  Surely, in the face of such control – and increasingly so with regard to our Laws, our Finances, our Business relationships, as well as our spiritual alignments – we need the ability to make our own decisions, choose our own path, to walk as much as is possible with as many Countries as possible, but not to be controlled, manipulated or intimidated by them.  We have ‘sleep walked’ into this mess.  We have been  passive for too long.  Are we brave enough to start to step out of it?

Are we, as Christians, at last going to express what we really feel and know in our inner beings about this matter? We have a choice.  In this life choice is one of the most valuable things we have.  It is directly linked to freedom. We can take a lead.  Too many live under despotic regimes where they have none.  Let’s own some backbone.  I wanted to say have some ‘steel’ in us, but that’s another problem at the moment too! – and not unconnected either!  As has been said “it only takes good men (and women) to do nothing for evil to triumph”.

Voice of believers

But, here are also some things from believers, the one who we know well, and trust her spiritual insights; the other, though a total stranger, sounds like she has bothered to pray about these matters for nigh on 30 years.  That’s good enough for me.  Firstly, from her :-

“In my quiet time I was led to Matthew 16:19 where it talks about binding and loosing. I confess I didn’t fully understand the principle and asked the Lord for clarification. I began to think of a vision I had way back in ’87 of scissors cutting through the English Channel. The Lord told me I was to pray that we are to cut off from Europe.  I asked why not a sword? “You got yourselves into this mess, you are going to have to pray yourselves out. Every time you pray according to my will I will cut…cut.” The vision then changed to a Britain as a battleship tied by her stern to Europe with an enormous rope; I then saw little fiery darts hitting and cutting into the rope, these I understood to be the prayers of the saints. As I watched the rope broke and the battleship slowly turned to face Europe, and the covers came off her guns; signifying this was a spiritual as well as a physical battle.”

Some weeks later a Pastor’s wife rang to say she had the same vision and what did it mean? I explained, and then we discovered that women all over the country were having the same vision.

“29 years later we are on the threshold of the rope breaking in the coming Referendum as we seek to leave the EU. So what has this to do with binding and loosing in Matt 16:19?  I wrote down the word ‘Europe’ and immediately saw the word EuROPE, the rope that binds us to the EU…..”

Then again, earlier this year, in response to my item called  ‘Britain and the EU’, Sue commented :-

“Some years back when I was praying  for Europe one Tuesday afternoon, the Lord gave me an action picture of the map of Europe.  I saw the UK right at the heart of Europe, then a big hand came and grabbed the whole nation, wrenched it out of Europe and put it back in its place, which is geographically where it is on maps.  Then Europe imploded on itself, as if it was in tatters.”

A Second Chance

So, some 41 years on from our last opportunity to express our personal conviction on this matter, we have this chance to change our course.  Mind you, it was not the same question then we answered.  At that stage it was whether we wanted to be a part of a free trading Europe, or not.  But, we were not told the truth, which Mr Heath admitted to.  Now that it is clear what it is all about, and with increasing loss of National Sovereignty, we can make a wiser decision. As one happy campaigner said today, after Holland said “No” to greater trading ties with Ukraine, “what we want is cooperation between European nation States, without all the superstructure we have at present”.

Neither did our current Government expect to have to grant a Referendum, since although it was a main promise if they won the Election, no one, the Conservatives included, other politicians or forecasters, expected an outright majority for them!  They certainly didn’t!   But now they had to keep their promise, otherwise there would have been uproar in the Conservative Party.  The Referendum Act in Parliament, some 7 months later, was passed into Law.  So, it was a ‘set up’!  And who did that?   I suspect our ALL KNOWING GOD did!

A Higher Purpose

But, let’s not waste this opportunity, and so gather to pray, in two’s and few’s, and many too, not only about this, but for the real purpose of separating  from the EU – which is to head these Nations back to God.  (Many will be doing so on St George’s Day 23rd April, also Passover.  George, a Christian in Diocletian’s Roman army in 303 AD, who refused to deny his faith, became a martyr).  Leaving the EU is just a big step to choosing a better path for that.  We are not above any other peoples, but we can choose to be blessed, and be a blessing to others, to fulfil the long-established, un-rescinded call of God to spread His name around the world, by being an example among the Nations to His faithfulness, His Gospel, and His Kingdom, through, and from these Nations.  “The gifts and callings of God are without repentance”.  They are there for picking up again – and He wants us to.

That has to be our goal, otherwise we become lost in the political and economic tangles of one issue alone, then, only to find his purposes still exist for us, whatever the result on the day – it’s just that one pathway will be less severe as a journey to that end, than the other.

Dave Chapman 7th April 2016


  1. After much public protestation – by believers and the public in UK and USA, over the raising of a Baal Arch in London and New York, we understand New York cancelled theirs, and the one raised in London was only the Roman Arch at the front of their Colonnade and Market.  Voice for Justice says, “We are being contacted by people saying they have heard interviews on LBC radio reporting that the Triumphal Arch today being erected in Trafalgar Square is part of the Temple of Bel/Baal, and asking what is going on.  In particular, they are asking if we have been misled. The answer to this, we believe, is no.   It is our understanding that the Roman Triumphal Arch was not part of the Temple of Bel/Baal but was an entirely separate structure standing at the end of a colonnade that began in the market place and led up to the Temple. Current misreporting appears to reflect the general confusion surrounding reconstruction of the arch, but may also mirror continued attempts to claw back victory.   Either reason serves to demonstrate the continued need for vigilance and prayer.”  [Thanks for this Dave; latest from VFJuk may be read in ‘Victory’.]
  2. Interesting to note above reference to pagan significance of 1st May, which is also celebrated by Communism and Socialism as the workers’ public holiday. This year however, we can see the hand of the Lord in exposing the outrageous anti-Semitism buried deeply within the Labour Party. This necessitated its leader Jeremy Corbyn’s eventual denunciation of all racialism in his public Mayday speech (report here) .
  3. Dave’s calls for us to “Stand!” speaks to me about the meaning of an open vision I had in 2004 of a map of Britain. As the fabric of society is rotten I saw a great tear appear from which emerged a huge long rock, in the same location as the Pennines – I understood this means the Lord will restore our strong, spiritual backbone when we stand upon Him, The Rock –  see Comments upon the collapse of Society.

2 thoughts on “UK/EU in/out #3: In the Face of God

  1. Very interesting to read the Word about the UK being wrenched out of Europe given this Word which was recently shared by David Tidy at an ICCC conference:
    Prophecy by David Tidy April 2016

    I was lifted up into the heavenly Realms and was sat next to our Father, looking down on Europe as it was thousands of years ago, when the UK was joined to the mainland mass of Europe.
    As I watch Father showed me how He moved the islands of the UK off the mainland over the years and caused us to become separate from the rest of Europe.
    Then He spoke to me and said, “Did I not pull the UK off the rest of Europe naturally that you might be who I would have you be?”
    There was a slight pause and then he spoke again: “Was it I who joined you again?” Again a slight pause when He said, “I called you to stand alone to be used of Me as you were in the past.”

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