And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.
What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? (Romans 8:28-32)
But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. (Ephesians 2:4-7) [Scriptures courtesy of Thomas Nelson Inc and Blue Letter Bible]
[Those introductory verses were jotted before last week’s quiet day that ‘just happened’ to touch upon them, as in the previous post.]
Hopefully the meditative morning coffee and my sharing about last week’s significant quiet day will act as contemplative interludes bridging my comments on Charlie Shamp and Neville Johnson, and between two posts on Neville’s August visit to California.
Anyone concerned about Neville’s dismissal of pre-Tribulation rapture, as in his first message, is directed to an excellent discussion on this ‘American’ theology by Nelson Walters in Simplified Evidence for Rapture Timing.
After the warnings in his first message, let’s now consider the more positive follow-up in session 6.
Neville starts by saying,
“Exciting! – We really need to know what we’re fighting for. You know, it’s not good enough to get into a fight unless we really know what we’re really fighting for. Right?
“So we need to see the BIGGER picture! It’s important to understand that… What are we fighting for? …What is it about?
“You’re fighting for a new America that will usher in the Millennium Age of Christ – a brand new world…a world where Jesus will be the head of and running it!”
He refers to having been blessed with seeing glimpses or excerpts of the Millennium: an incredible world. However, according to Revelation there’s a lot of cleaning up to be done, defiled cities will fall because they can’t be allowed to enter the Millennium.
“We are fighting for this planet. God gave this planet to Adam but he lost it and we’re going to retake it! His assignment was to bring heaven to earth…
“You’ve got to see the bigger picture – this is all worth fighting for. What we’re fighting for is the Millennium. Decadence will not be allowed to exist in the Millennium!”
Notes on the Message
As in part 1, this selection of my notes (1) gives a flavour of what Neville says and (2) enables comparison with Charlie Shamp’s remarks on 2015-20 and scriptural context of the recent blood moon as well as mine on the Age to Come (all as herein). For ease of reference [numbers] denote approx. elapsed time.:
- We have an incredible future: God is going to fill this world with His presence and His people and it will be better than heaven – “And that’s just a beginning!” [6]
- 1969 moon landing’s ‘leap’: prophetic sign for mankind as Charismatic movement followed that shook Catholic church – and Neville’s! [8]
- What now? God’s signpost in Solar System: ‘New Horizons’ spacecraft took 9yrs to get to Pluto, 9th planet at end of Solar System = we’re getting to the end of this dispensation. No 9 used 49 (7×7) times in Bible and conveys meaning of finality – God’s completeness [12]. 9 = end of an era & beginning of judgement. Israel’s last king reigned 9 yrs: “he that has ears to hear”. [17]
- WE’RE NOW ON FINAL LAP TO CONSUMMATION OF THE AGE – to be 7 times greater outpouring of Holy Spirit than at Pentecostal birth of Church. [15]
- Church is appointed to tribulation (as now?: RB) but not wrath of God, when the world will be physically changed – we’re coming back to a perfect world. [18]
- “The Lord began to speak to me about how we’re to change, to be transformed by being more heavenly minded…next step is holiest place of all and needs our going through transfiguration…Jesus was transfigured in His flesh and it changed Him for new things and we’re to be physically transformed so we can handle powers of the Age to Come!” The more heavenly minded we become the less the attraction of the world. [21]
- 2 Cor 5:20, Phil 3:20, Col 3:1 – As Christ’s ambassadors our citizenship is of heaven and, being risen with Christ, we should seek those things which are above. [25]
- God gave us the privilege of coming here and we’ve got to make our lives count for the time we’ve got left – can’t/mustn’t lose sight of that! [29]
- This is KEY – it must become a daily reality, we must let our minds be renewed, lose grip with earth, thereby heavenly realm opens and becomes accessible. [30]
- We’re fighting for restoration of this planet and bringing it back under rule of God. [32]
- It’s what we become – not have done – that counts ie. how much we become like Jesus and the Age to Come [34] determines our role in eons to come [43].
- As evil matures in the earth and will be reaped – the gross darkness, people will be terrified and come to our light. [52]
- This year’s Feast of Tabernacles (28th Sept) is going to bring change. [54]
- Jesus is going to reveal Himself through His people first before He returns – check scripture re. disciples going to Feast of Tabernacles without Jesus, for He went in secret but disciples openly. [55]
- Tabernacles ushers in new dimension that begins at this blood moon – door will open to combine fullness of Passover and Pentecost and ushers in new dimension. [1:00]
- The mind needs to be sanctified and renewed by removal of untruths learned in our lives – needs to be consecration of mind to Lord like never before. [1:40]
- If we’re to enter Tabernacles it will require greater dedication and consecration to open whole new level of consciousness and physical conditioning before powers of Age to Come open up. [1:43]
On these matters I’d draw attention to an interactive vision Neville had in 2010, on video staring at 1:44:20:
“…in which I found myself on a boat at sea – and it was as real as this (pointing to platform )…and I was at the back of the boat and I looked at the front of the boat and Jesus was standing at the front of the boat and I thought, ‘That’s ok, the Lord’s here – everything’s fine!’
“I was watching as the Lord opened a very ornate chest…I saw Him take an instrument out of the chest and it was a sextant…(explains this non-satellite’s use for finding ship’s position at sea).
“It went ‘click’…the Lord locked the sextant on the horizon and then He looked up and went ‘click’, taking a bearing on a star – and I knew that star was Venus, don’t ask me how I knew, but I knew it was Venus…
“I noticed there were 14 segments on the sextant. I looked at the Lord and He looked at me and He said:
“The time spoken in the Word regarding the Morning Star is beginning NOW!”
“I thought ‘ok’ and He said,
“The Morning Star will arise over the next 14 years and become brighter and brighter.” He said,
“I will arise in My people like never before, and at evening time it shall be light.”
“I knew that last was a scripture but couldn’t figure out where until I came out of this – it’s Zecharia 14:7… but what does it mean? He said to me,
“Transfiguration will start in many of My people and they will become truly lights of the world.”
Zecharia 14 refers to ‘the Day of the Lord’ and in the NKJV verse 7 reads,
It shall be one day
Which is known to the Lord—
Neither day nor night.
But at evening time it shall happen
That it will be light.
The Word of Prophecy
Only now do I notice that Neville talks about the ‘Morning Star’ quoting a reference of personal relevance that I’d completely forgotten about. At 1:47:55 he reads 2 Peter 1:19 as follows:
“We have a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawns that the star rises in your heart.”
[That particular verse was one of the very few referred to by the initiatory mystical group I studied under before I was rescued from Satan’s domain. Presumptuously they used it to suppose they’d attained a special level of transcendent knowledge. But it was nothing of the sort compared with true prophecy that comes by God’s Holy Spirit. It’s abundantly obvious had the verse’s full context been considered. Shortly after the Lord rescued me I asked Him about that group as I opened my Bible. It fell open and I was transfixed by 2 Peter 2:1 – ie. just a few verses on from those abused ones, as told in this part of my testimony.]
Now, Neville asks what verse 19 means and reminds us that Peter was referring to his awesome experience years previously when he saw the transfiguration of Jesus. (As in accompanying text of verses 15 to 21 shown at the foot of this post.)
Apostle Peter maintains his mission is true and valid because; 1) he witnessed Jesus’ glorious transfiguration, 2) he has the word of prophecy bestowed by Holy Spirit and which is not for private interpretation (as that group presumed!). Neville notices the juxtaposition of those two principles and submits that they’re not only relevant to that vision of 2010 but also specifically reveal what the Lord’s now doing in His people.
Therefore, I submit that Neville’s profound message is worthy of careful consideration and prayerful application.
2 Peter 1:15-21
‘Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease to have these things always in remembrance. 16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. 18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount. 19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: 20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.’ [Authorised KJV, courtesy BibleGateway.com]