Monday, 17 July, 2017 12:28 pm
Did Jesus share a parable on multiple occasions in order to explain the Rapture? Is this “Rapture Parable” his most misunderstood parable? (This article was written in response to a request by a reader to explain the parable in Matt. 24:28) Our traditions sometimes determine what we think a biblical parable or illustration means. This even can…[continued in The Rapture Parable.]
Richard writes: My brief remark on the ‘Rapture’ in the post on The Shaking implies I have some reservations on that New Testament topic. Rather than rely on Paul’s letters alone, I prefer to start at what Jesus Himself says about that ‘in-gathering’, especially when we look at the original Greek rather than translations! (EG. see Fresh insights into Jesus’ role in Creation, covering implicit knowledge of the laws of quantum physics.)
Considerations of our prophesied ‘Rapture’ should not overlook Jesus’ explanation of the wheat & tares parable (Matt 13:40-43 ) and saying the Great Tribulation will be shortened for the sake of the elect (Matt 24:22). That is, they/we will go through it, even if protected (Rev 3:10).
Therefore, I highly recommend Nelson Walters’ blog and pursuant discussions of this fast approaching event to all my readers…
Posted by Richard Barker
Categories: End-Times, Holy Bible, Jesus, Rapture, The Bride
Tags: #Discipleship, #Prophecy-NT
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Well said Richard. When asked if I’m pre trib, mid trib, or post trib I respond that I’m pan trib meaning that God has all thing under control and so all things will pan out in the end
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By Tony on Monday, 17 July, 2017 at 12:51 pm
I’ve heard of that b4 and agree as it permits great flexibility in the Lord’s weaving His tapestry according to human and demonic activities. I think Nelson’s thesis of pre-wrath gathering is lucid.
All that, however and especially dispensational ideas, are usually disregarded here as oddities of American theology, and hardly anything gets taught in UK!
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By Richard Barker on Monday, 17 July, 2017 at 2:37 pm
So right Richard, listening to Pastor Kilpatrick made sense of some things I just hadn’t understood, and as you say nothing is hardly taught here in the UK. Thanks for posting
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By fathershouseofprayer on Monday, 17 July, 2017 at 5:03 pm
He teaches well and considerately but have already heard of Jesus’ seven letters to the churches treated as prophetical of Church history. That has merit but disagree with John’s ascent at Rev 4.1 being applied to that timeline and thus surmising it means ‘Rapture next!’.
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By Richard Barker on Monday, 17 July, 2017 at 5:54 pm
Hi
I’d highly recommend Robert van Kampen’s book ‘The Sign’ as a starter to study the ‘pre-wrath’ position. Then, for more detail, and an updated treatment, go to ‘Before God’s Wrath’ by H.L.Nigro.
I’m 57 this year; we need to be sharing these scripturally based teachings clearly to the next 2 generations on both sides of the Atlantic.
God bless
Mark
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By markmaddock on Tuesday, 18 July, 2017 at 10:34 pm
Thanks for the tip Mark. I think it may have been you who recommended ‘Almost Midnight’ (mostly on Israel’s role) by Richard David Thompson? I also found ‘And The Lamb Wins’ by Simon Ponsonby a good theological review, and Neil Mackereth’s ‘SIGNS – the significance of Biblical prophecy’ is an excellent introductory overview (as reviewed in https://richards-watch.org/2015/07/23/prophetic-historic-days-part-1-signs-and-personal-connections/)’.
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By Richard Barker on Wednesday, 19 July, 2017 at 3:16 pm
Richard Barker, this is an interesting site, blessings! Are you a pre-tribber/ dispensationalist yourself? I’m from London (currently living in Essex) and I have found that, like you said, whenever I mention that I’m a dispensationalist, ppl straight away say “ahhh, that American evangelical idea” (or something along those lines haha.
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By RH (@rhartnoll316) on Friday, 15 December, 2017 at 8:41 pm
Thank you for your appreciation RH and hope you’ll continue to dip in as and when possible. In view of Jesus’ Olivet discourse I’m not fully convinced of merits of pre-Trib position and tend toward Nelson’s pre-Wrath ideas – but am sure the Lord has lots more surprises for us (and to catch satan unawares!) before then.
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By Richard Barker on Saturday, 16 December, 2017 at 8:43 am
Greetings, thanks for the reply 🙂
I have several friends who hold to the pre-wrath position (I’m still a bit confused as to whether pre-wrath folk are dispensational/progressive…hold to 2 or 7 dispensations…(I’ve heard Jacob Prasch speak of 2) –
Some say that the pre-wrath position, does not contradict a general dispensational framework – Jacob prasch seems to say that dispensationalism, while a more biblical system than Covenant Theology (obviously), goes too far.
I’d be interested to know your views? Are you dispensational? Do you hold to a distinction between the church and Israel? Is the main difference between the pre trib and pre wrath interpretation just to do with the timing of the rapture?
P.s, No rush to answer – I’m just interested and trying to learn more about the various thoughts. It’s no easy task as there are so many views. I’m always open to changing my own views too (I’m not rigid on these things)
Thanks in advance, and God bless you this Saturday
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By rhartnoll on Saturday, 16 December, 2017 at 9:12 am
Regret don’t spend time contemplating the detail (study Bible gives 8 alternative approaches!!). Yes, pre-trib and pre-wrath relate to timing. Am tad wary of JP’s ideas in view of his inconsiderate temperament.
Definitely a clear distinction between Church and Israel and think Replacement Theology incorrect, as proven by Advent scripture readings. These have yet to be fulfilled in their entirety as Jesus isn’t yet ruling His Jewish people – very interesting times to come and very soon!
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By Richard Barker on Wednesday, 20 December, 2017 at 3:23 pm
Thank you Richard. Yes, agree about Jp. I come from a Calvary Chapel background and have found his hostile words towards certain pastors quite shocking.
So to conclude, one can be dispensational and pre wrath?
Many of my friends don’t find this an interesting topic but I find it fascinating – especially in light of the times.
Bless you brother!
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By rhartnoll on Wednesday, 20 December, 2017 at 6:12 pm
Yes I suppose we can be both. In addition to the preceding comments on this post you may like https://richards-watch.org/2017/01/31/meet-neil-mackereth-author-of-signs/ – Neil tells me he’s working on his new book about the Book of Revelation!
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By Richard Barker on Thursday, 21 December, 2017 at 8:56 am