Comparison of two visions of American states – ‘schism’ vs. ‘conjoined’!

As promised in my introduction to Two Visions re America’s Supreme Court, we’ll look at how the second is directly relevant to a couple of insights received in 2007 and 2008 by Chuck Pierce.

2018 – Dave Hood

I wish to draw your attention to this extracts’ emboldened text:

Dave reports seeing, “The outline of the USA with all its states in different colours and state boundaries marked out…As I looked at the coloured blocks of states I thought they are not in agreement, they are all individual and not cohesive… darkness loves to keep it this way…it causes/fosters division.

“I then saw 2 neighbouring states, that seemed to have one common boundary line – and down the length of the join of that common line I saw God drawing His line along on topit was drawn in fire and where the fire touched the common boundary line it turned to molten red lava. This had the effect of welding, sealing the boundary line, melding what was two, into one – central common boundary line had disappeared all together resulting in the 2 states becoming one! … really they were the same 2 but walking in agreement. And I saw this happening again, in various other parts of the USA with other states that were neighbours.’

What a wonderful promise for the near-future of the Lord’s sovereign action in healing the United States of America! Yet, doubtless many deep changes have to come first.

2007/8 – Chuck Pierce

My American readers are well aware of the deep divisions opening up into deep schisms during the past decade that broke not only politicians but also ordinary people across a once united nation.

Moreover, those divisions severely affected America’s global standing as leader of the free world, especially after its president turned against Israel. Even worse, associated changes of political policies and popular culture as part of satanic strategy made them wide-open to demonic infiltration and direction!!

Over the past month their mess has been broadcast world-wide for all to witness as part of the great shakings and shifting prophesied over recent years (eg. here, here, here and here).

Alarming visions received 11 years ago by Chuck Pierce (Glory of Zion ministries) were quickly fulfilled. I summarised them in Modern Prophecy on USA and Israel Approaches Fulfillment in Nov 2013, but we need to look more fully at what he says in The River and the Schism (his emphases; underlining mine):

‘We are now determining our future. The real danger is the Lord turning His ear away from us in days ahead because we make a choice that is against His will. Kingdom people must do the will of God. We are a nation above other nations. Concerning this nation, the picture below is a great reflection of what I see ahead of us.

Chuck Pierce

‘Notice in the picture the river and the rift or schism. I recently met Pam and some of my children at the Grand Canyon. I had been ministering in Las Vegas and then drove to meet them for one day before we proceeded on to Phoenix. When I was viewing this magnificent display of God’s power and creation, I saw something. What I saw quickened in me and reminded me of what I saw in August 2007. It was then that the Lord began to show me a nation divided…

‘As my family and I looked at one of the incredible viewpoints on the rim of the Grand Canyon, the Lord spoke to me and said, “A new type of river is now rising in this land. This River will create a schism unlike anything this nation has ever known before.” Be prepared – this nation as we know it will no longer be the same. In the Hebraic Year 5769, (2009) the Year of the New Wineskin, we must be prepared for the structure of this nation to change.

‘A schism is a division or disunion of mutually opposed parties. In Ecclesiastical understanding, a schism occurs when a formal division or separation occurs where some doctrinal or administrative difference in one sect of the Body creates an offense resulting in division. Division is the opposite of multiplication…

‘…A rift means to burst open or split. A rift is an opening made by splitting. This can be like the picture you see above or can occur from a break in friendly relations or difference of opinion. We can agree to disagree without condemning each other.

‘I see the River of God that has been released from the heavenly realm creating a new place for us to stand and cry forth for His power and glory to come into the earth.’ (courtesy The Elijah List, 1st Nov 2008)

Chuck updated this three years later in The Vision for Now! (published in The Elijah List, 20 May 2011):

‘On May 31, 2008, I was preparing to speak at a large gathering at Liberty State Park in New Jersey near Ellis Island and the Statue of Liberty. Suddenly, the Lord gave me a vision of our nation. He took me three years into the future and began to let me hear and see what our future would look like. He first showed me my own bloodline and the glory and iniquity of its history. He then showed me three years ahead and the two iniquitous spirits that would try to capture my children and children’s children.

‘Next, He showed me that within three years (by May 31, 2011), a statement would be made regarding Israel in this nation that would realign the nation and determine the future of this land. (With President Obama’s speech endorsing the Palestinians’ demand for their own state based on borders that existed before the 1967 Middle East war, this has now happened. I believe this statement will create a split in the United States for the next three years as individual states make choices on how they will align.)

‘The Lord then revealed His remnant in this nation, which states had covenant roots, which states were anti-covenant, and the divine war that would arise over the future glory of this land. He showed me 21 states that would stand strong with the God of Israel, two states that hung in the balance, and one state that could turn the nation.’

In the hindsight of having lived through subsequent events we recognise the accuracy and fulfillment of Chuck’s prophetic words. Also, the reference to ‘individual states’ and their differences in alignment, as well as quantifying their position, has a similar sound to Dave’s very much later description of states coming into agreement!

Most notable, in my humble opinion, is Chuck’s belief that President Obama’s deliberate anti-Israel policy directly contributed to the deep split. Moreover, as all Bible-believing Christians are only too well aware, such action automatically invokes the Lord’s direct response to bless or curse the USA!!

“And I will bless those who bless you [who confer prosperity or happiness upon you] and curse him who curses or uses insolent language towards you; in you ALL the families and kindred of the earth will be blessed.” (Genesis 12:4 AMP)

We looked at this scripture’s international application a couple of months ago here, and here regarding the benefit to America of President Trump’s strong support of Israel.

His policy of redirecting America to its Christian roots, of recognising Israel and moving the US embassy to Jerusalem, has tilted everything in hell into utter and unending rage; as demonstrated through unfortunate souls who’ve allowed it access to control them.

I trust that by briefly contrasting the visions of Chuck and Dave and comparing with then and now, provides some food for thought and prayer. We thank and praise the Lord for confirming His purpose is to bring a truly awesome change of hearts across the United States, thereby bringing it back into its destiny.

5 thoughts on “Comparison of two visions of American states – ‘schism’ vs. ‘conjoined’!

  1. Richard do you recall this?

    A dream about the United States

    I had this dream approximately 5 years ago, June 7, 2009 to be exact. In the dream I saw the United States as a puzzle board, like the kind some of us had when we were kids where we would start with an empty board that had the outline of the United states. Our parents would help us put all the states on the puzzle board until we had the continental 48 states.
    In this dream, I saw the United States in the form of a puzzle as mentioned above, I then saw states begin to disappear off of the puzzle board leaving a gap or space where the state had originally been which leads me to believe that civil war may be coming to this country once again.
    In 2008, at the 4th of July celebrations, I had a distinct sense that this would be the last 4th that we would be celebrating as a United Nation.
    Additionally, I have seen an angel with a drawn sword standing over the United States. My belief here is that this is a sword meant to bring division.
    We need to be praying for God’s mercy and grace in this hour like never before. We need to pray for our leaders that God would guide and direct them.
    In the dream, Texas, I believe was the first state I remember disappearing from the puzzle board.
    I just saw this in the news today:
    :Americans open to secession
    Additionally:
    On,02/09/2013, as I was spending time with the Lord in my car driving, I saw a vision. In this vision a saw the American flag with blood on it. It had been torn to pieces, little pieces, and had been put in either a waste can or a pail. I could feel a sense of strong grief over this. This would be Civil War once again within our country.
    I had a dream/night vision 01/09/2014/ In the dream I saw a casket draped with the American Flag. The casket was sealed but I could see inside the casket. What I saw was the White House and Congress, essentially our government, inside the casket waiting to be  buried. I don’t recall seeing anybody else, however, I did see a lone Marine with a bugle playing taps.
    What comes to mind here is that the casket was not yet buried like the funeral at a city called Nain which Jesus and His disciples encountered. In that scenario, Jesus stopped the funeral procession and raised the woman’s child from the dead. We need to pray for our country. I do not know if any of us grasp the dire straights that America is in. We need to pray for America.

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  2. Here’s a post from November of 2016

    As the opposition to Donald Trump has grown after his amazing victory that is nothing short of a miracle , Psalm 2 has been in my spirit. I will quote a portion of it below.
    Psa 2:1 — Psa 2:5
    Why do the nations rage,
    And the people plot a vain thing? 
    The kings of the earth set themselves,
    And the rulers take counsel together,
    Against the Lord and against His Anointed, saying, 
    “Let us break Their bonds in pieces
    And cast away Their cords from us.” 
    He who sits in the heavens shall laugh;
    The Lord shall hold them in derision. 
    Then He shall speak to them in His wrath,
    And distress them in His deep displeasure:
    Anointed here is from the Hebrew word,
    H4899. מָשִׁיחַ māšiyaḥ: A masculine noun meaning anointed one. Although this word is a noun, it can function both as a substantive (1 Sam. 24:6[7], 10[11]); or an adjective (Lev. 4:3, 5, 16). Since it refers to an individual who has been anointed by divine command.

    I provide the definition of anointed because I do not want there to be any inference that I am equating Donald Trump in any way, shape,or form with The Anointed, Jesus Christ.
    In all my years I have never seen such an uprising over a presidential election like this one. People are going to great lengths to de-legitimize his election and, as is the case with the recount, overturn the election.
    The jezebel spirit has reigned in the white house and is now  on the verge of being cast out. This spirit does not go quietly as can be evidenced by the events that have been televised. This spirit kills what it cannot control either by character assassination or by the unthinkable being physical assassination .  
    We as believers need to keep President -Elect Donald Trump in our prayers. We need to pray for him and his family’s safety and continued well being. We need to pray that the Lord would surround him with those who will give godly counsel. We need to pray that the recount efforts to overturn the election come to nothing. For those of you that follow the prophetic you have seen many prophetic voices confirm that this man is chosen to be president .  Again we need to be on our knees for this man and his family. 
    As I posted right before the election, I saw a vision of Donald Trump standing on the White House lawn holding onto a cross that he had stuck into the lawn with his left hand while holding a sword in his right.
    I cannot stress enough the importance of prayer and intercession for this man, his family, his cabinet, and our nation during this time of transition . 

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